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Why Your Cellar Walls Need to Breathe (And Why We’re NOT Tanking)

November 4, 2020 - 47 Comments - 11 min read

Renovations in our old victorian basement cellar have begun, and although it’s very slow progress, this is a project I’m so excited to develop! So far, we’ve stripped back the walls, opened up the fireplace and we’ve even added in a window.

We’ve made great headway, but we still have plenty left to achieve before it’s anywhere near usable down there. One question I’ve been asked a few times over the last few months is how we’ll be tanking/damp-proofing the basement.

The answer is, we’re not. So I thought I would write a post and explain why.

Before I start though, I just wanted to say that I am certainly NO expert when it comes to buildings or building work in general. However, there is A LOT of free advice on the internet (not all good advice, I might add!!) and lots of different platforms you can learn from.

About 7/8 years ago when we were in the process of selling our previous home, my eyes were opened around the questionable work within the damp-proofing industry. I spent hours reading information from experts and watching YouTube videos calling out damp-proofing techniques that just don’t work in period homes.

I know this may all sound like a bit of a conspiracy theory against damp-proofing – but I’m going to share what I’ve learnt over the years and hopefully, it will at least make you think twice about certain techniques and to weigh up the different opinions before jumping down the “we need to damp-proof X-Y-Z” route.

I’ve also linked some great sources at the end of this post where you can find more information about damp/breathability in old homes.

Period Houses are Made with Different Materials

Not all buildings are built the same way. You’ve seen cottages built in a collection of various sized local stones right? And you can tell the difference between period bricks and modern bricks? These materials are all slightly different. A bit like card, paper and kitchen roll, so to speak. Same same, but different.

Some bricks are softer than others and likewise, some mortars are softer than others too. Yes, it’s all mortar and it all holds your house together, but the exact ingredients and ratios might be different.

In period buildings, traditionally when it was built, the mortar was made from lime. As was the plaster, any exterior renders and even the paint. All lime-based products! And what makes lime special? It’s porous, making it breathable.

Victorian bricks with lime mortar

Breathability in Period Buildings

When victorian houses were built, they were designed for that era. They had chimneys to house coal fires to keep the house warm, cool cellars for storing food and even the single glazed draughty windows provided the ventilation a house needed. What seems like poor choices in a world of modern technology, was probably once upon a time, clever design ideas.

And that breathable lime I was talking about? It allowed moisture IN and OUT of the building structure. Whether that’s in liquid form, or as gas, it meant there was a balance of intake and evaporation. A natural equilibrium and the ability for buildings to “breathe”.

To put this into context for you, it would mean any internal moisture from drying clothes or cooking, for example, would penetrate the lime plaster and then simply evaporate back out. External moisture too, such as from rain would do the same. It would enter the lime mortar (or render) and then evaporate right back out.

Those draughty windows and warm coal fireplaces acted in favour of this natural drying cycle and because of these breathable materials, water was never trapped within the building. Which meant, these old buildings did not typically have damp problems.

Any moisture within the building had an escape route.

The Problem with Modern Cement, Gypsum Plaster and Damp Proofing Paints on Period Buildings

Modern houses are built very differently from period buildings. They’re built with much harder bricks, they’re designed to be waterproof, highly insulated and with zero draughts. Basically, the exact opposite!

The materials they’re built with, like cement, prevent moisture from getting in or out and are NON-breathable. In theory, this may sound great, BUT when combined with period materials or within a period home, it simply doesn’t work and instead, traps moisture within the building.

Remember I said some bricks are softer than others? If you replace lime mortar with a cement mortar, not only will you be trapping that moisture within the building itself (as it no longer has an escape route), but it will also cause those softer bricks to deteriorate. You’ll often see this where the face of brick has crumbled away (known as spalling).

Similarly, if you cover lime mortared bricks with gypsum plaster or certain modern paints, (like weatherproof masonry paint which is non-breathable), you’re disrupting that same natural balance and again, trapping moisture.

These materials simply weren’t designed for old buildings and don’t work well when used with traditional materials.

Check out this video to see a real example of the effect of cement on period bricks.

spalling brick floor

What Does Trapped Moisture Lead To?

So I’ve given you a couple of examples already, but let’s break it down further:

Damp Patches

Where moisture cannot escape, you’ll find damp patches. This might be from condensation within the home or water trapped on the outside of the home. Where it would once upon a time have simply evaporated away, it’s now stuck within the very fabric of the building.

Peeling Paints

Many modern paints are also non-breathable. Ever seen a Victorian house covered externally in peeling paint? When moisture wants to get out, it will find any possible way to get out. In time, the paint will flake and peel away from the surface. This is a particular problem with masonry paint.

Spalling Brickwork

One of the worse effects of trapped moisture is spalling bricks. As I mentioned previously, this is when a brick is deteriorating. Usually, the face of the brick will burst off and eventually, the whole brick will crumble.

This often happens specifically when moisture within the brick freezes (and expands as doing so), therefore breaks the brick. Over time, spalling bricks allow more moisture to penetrate the brick, creating more problems. Eventually, these bricks need to be replaced and many over a large span can even become a structural issue.

peeling paint on woodwork in cellar

What About Damp-Proofing Treatments?

There is a vast amount of different damp proofing treatments available and each work in different ways, but essentially, they act to prevent moisture from entering a building. However, if you’ve read the above, you’ll know this has a similar effect as cement and doesn’t FIX the issue, it simply traps water, or masks over it until the moisture can find a new route to escape.

Many believe the whole damp proofing industry is a con and I’ve read some debate that there is no such industry in certain countries across the world. Rising damp, in particular, in a greatly debated topic.

I could write a whole blog post on the topic, but there is evidence to suggest that many damp proofing treatments simply don’t work in period homes and that they weren’t required in the first place!

There are many reasons for damp, including the external ground being too high, leaking gutters or drains and of course, things like cement being used in period homes. These issues are often overlooked when damp-proofing is advised.

The Importance of Breathability In Basements and Cellars

If there was one place in your house which is GUARANTEED to have moisture within it – it’s probably going to be the basement or cellar. It’s underground after all.

So naturally, that moisture on the outside penetrates through to some extent. Your first thought might be “how can we STOP this moisture from getting in?” and more likely than not, your cellar or basement will have evidence of previous attempts at stopping it.

Maybe you have bitumen or another kind of damp proofing paint slathered across your walls? Or maybe it’s been concrete rendered? Maybe those draughty windows and the original coal hole have been blocked up?

Unfortunately, these methods have probably done very little to help the situation, and if anything, they’ve made it worse, simply trapping that moisture and saturating the brick, rather than allowing it to escape.

A big problem with a basement having moisture trapped within its walls, if that the basement is the very foundations of your home and dampness in a cellar can also lead to rotten floor joists in the rooms above too.

dealing with damp in a victorian cellar

The Problem with Tanking

Tanking is a form of waterproofing and has many different forms. From liquid cement slurry which acts almost like render, to plastic sheet membranes forming a barrier around the wall, the list goes on.

The problem with all those methods? It still traps moisture within the walls. And the problem with being underground is that it’s almost like creating a swimming pool around the outside of your house.

Sure it may keep the damp from displaying itself in your basement for some amount of time, but the problem is, your house is now sat in that moisture. Eventually, the bricks will saturate in moisture, deteriorate, spall and crumble over the years. You may start to find damp patches in the rooms above as moisture fights its way out, destroying joists, timber floors and other woodwork in its route. And worst yet, that higher moisture level, in time, will simply make your basement wetter.

So What ARE We Doing to Prevent Damp in our Cellar?

Our plan is pretty simple. Instead of focussing on keeping moisture OUT, we plan to work WITH it, just as our home was originally built to do. This basically means putting the cellar back to the way it was built.

Remove ALL Non-Breathable Materials

You’ll know we’ve already removed as much waterproof coating as possible from our basement walls. This includes cement slurry, bitumen paint, masonry paint etc. This will allow the walls to breathe again and for the moisture to escape.

the importance of breathability in a cellar

Improve Ventilation and Air Circulation

Ventilation and good airflow is key to keeping a basement dry. You’ll know our basement had ZERO ventilation and we’ve already tried to improve that slightly by reopening the bricked-up window and reopening the fireplace. This will allow fresh air into the basement and to some degree, the open fireplace will allow a route for air to move out of the basement.

This certainly isn’t fool-proof though and in an ideal world to improve circulation, we’d add a mechanical ventilation system to guarantee good air movement. At the moment, we’re not doing this – but we’re mindful of this being an option should we encounter moisture issues.

It’s worth noting that adding a load of external vents does very little for damp, it simply allows cold air in. Ventilating a basement and then circulating that air is two separate issues.

We could also add vents in the floorboards of the rooms above (nice decorative ones of course!), but again, this is something we’ll consider down the line should we need it.

Install a Dehumidifier and Radiators

On top of ventilating and circulating, we’ll also be adding a dehumidifier to collect excess moisture (again, this will allow us to manage moisture rather than prevent it) and some radiators too. This will replace cold air with warm air, which is also a key element for keeping a basement or cellar dry.

You can get mechanical ventilation systems which will warm cold air at the same time as removing moisture and providing air flow, however, these systems are quite pricey, so for now, we’ll just be using radiators and a dehumidifier.

electric radiator in victorian cellar

Use ONLY Breathable Materials

Finally, we’ll be using traditional breathable materials, such as lime mortar, lime paster, quarry tiles (made from clay and are breathable), lime wash and/or clay paint. All of which will allow moisture in/out.

Will that make our basement dry? Hopefully, yes – it’s all a bit of trial and error, but we’ll certainly find out and I’ll keep you posted!

I know some houses which have a serious damp problem in their cellar basements often use additional pumps/drainage systems to manage moisture, but debatably amongst many experts, tanking should very rarely ever be required.

Word of Caution Around the Word “Breathable”

The last thing I wanted to mention on this post, is that I highly recommend thoroughly researching any products you find which claim to be “breathable”.

The problem is, as more people are understanding the need for breathability within period homes, more companies are launching “breathable” products. Great, you’d think! Except, HOW MUCH a product is breathable may greatly vary.

Imagine buying a ‘pork’ sausage, which is only made up of 5% pork. If the sale of meat was unregulated, it could claim to be pork even with just 5%. But compared to a 95% pork sausage, it’s not really a match, is it?

Some breathable products are just like that. According to experts, the term ‘breathable’ is currently unregulated and HOW MUCH a product is truly breathable may greatly differ. A product that claims to be “breathable” may not be nearly breathable enough.

My advice is to research well, find reviews and invest in longstanding reputable brands known for their traditional materials.

For more information, please read this in-depth article.

Read What The Experts Have To Say…

So there you have it. Everything I’ve learnt about period buildings and breathability over the years. Don’t take my word for it though, check out some of these sources for more information/advice on damp and traditional lime products:

  • Peter Ward YouTube Channel (This is a FANTASTIC place to start with educational videos and lots of scientific research behind ‘damp’ in old buildings) This video in particular covers cellars and how to keep them dry.
  • Heritage House – If you want to hire Peter (as mentioned above) to survey your damp problems, this is the website to go. There are also lots of written articles and advice to follow on there about all kinds of different building works on older homes.
  • GreenSpec – Another great website with advice around insulation, ventilation, damp and maintenance of old buildings.
  • Mike Wye – Lots of great videos for DIYers if you want to learn how to use lime based products!
  • Lime Green – More articles, videos and information on all things ‘lime’.
  • Cornish Lime – Recommended to me by an Instagram Follower (thank you @house_on_the_border!) this company sells lime products, has great online articles and even offers training days if you want to learn how to DIY with lime.
  • Earthborn Clay Paints – Clay paint is breathable and comes highly recommended for use with lime-based products. Check out their blog for more information!
  • Linseed Paint – Linseed paint is recommended for preventing trapped moisture within woodwork which may contribute to rot. Particularly, this is recommended for external woods which many would use “waterproof” coatings.

A Little Roundup

Well this turned out to be one LENGTHY post didn’t it?! I hope I haven’t rambled too much and you can make sense of my poor written skills. If you have any information, advice, articles, experts you’d like to share – please do leave them in the comments below for others to see/read.

As I said at the beginning, my opinions and knowledge on this topic has come from research and learning through others (namely those mentioned above!) – I certainly don’t claim to be an expert, but I do want to use this little space on the web to talk about this topic of breathability and hopefully help you find information for advice for your own renovations.

So I hope this was helpful and please do share anything extra you have to add below!

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  • Matt Shaw November 26, 2020 at 11:50 pm

    Wow this is an amazing article and the conclusion I am coming to for my cellar space. Can I ask if you have had any thoughts on the final cosmetic finish of the cellar walls?

    • Kezzabeth December 10, 2020 at 10:34 am

      We’re planning on keeping the bricks exposed and simply using a breathable paint – but in the far future, we may lime plaster some walls instead! There are a few options, but I guess we’re going to a rustic aesthetic at the moment!

    • Roger Smith January 2, 2021 at 4:03 pm

      Whether you can manage cellar damp with lime plaster or render depends on the volume of water penetrating the cellar and whether it’s a habitable area. I had a cellar with bare brickwork that had been lime plastered but the walls were saturated and the plaster softened due to the amount of water from the substrate.

  • Dean November 30, 2020 at 10:51 pm

    Hi there,
    Thanks for this. Great advice. I have a victorian house and the original York stone floor has been completely removed, and so I was thinking about laying a concrete slab. Perhaps not!

  • Chris February 11, 2021 at 10:43 pm

    good read! found this looking for people who’d put a window in the basement, rings very true – We installed a fan in the existing coal drop (which pulls air down from the house) and over the course of about 3 months it went from 95+ humidity to the mid 50s. It really is quite simple and cheap once you’ve read enough about it, keep getting the word out.

    • Kezzabeth April 4, 2021 at 12:46 pm

      Ohh that’s amazing! We’ve managed to drop our humidity from about 85 to 70% so far. Our kitchen/dining room above is usually around 60-65% so I think 70 is probably as good as we’re going to get haha. It’s amazing how just adding better ventilation / air circulaiton can improve the conditions down there though – that fan definiely sounds like a worthwhile installation!!

    • Philip February 2, 2022 at 10:34 am

      Hi Chris. I’m on the celara conversion journey and have a coal hole too. What fan didi you use please? My first thoguhts were to add a light well there becuase there is no natural light but maybe ventilation and dmap issues are more important. I had planned to add an esacpe hatch at gropund level into the fornt garden if I wnat natural light but that will cost me more than I have right now.

    • Debbie September 21, 2022 at 11:15 am

      Hi Chris, could I ask what fan you got please?

    • Silvia October 9, 2023 at 8:51 pm

      What Sort of fan, please?

  • Josh February 19, 2021 at 10:13 am

    This is a fantastic article with some great information. I landed upon your blog looking at your sash window but had to read about your cellar given ours has “damp” issues. You’ve covered just about everything off and your information aligns perfectly with my understanding, you’re dead right in my eyes.
    There is just one issue worth noting is that your method will never allow your cellar to be “habitable” in the eyes of building regulations. You have to insulate it to meet the regs, however you’ve made a vast improvement to the condition of your home!

    • Kezzabeth April 4, 2021 at 12:56 pm

      Hey Josh! Ah thank you – it can be quite difficult explaining to people why we’re not tanking (as it always seems to be the go-to when basements are mentioned!) so I’m so glad you found this article explained it well – and even better than you agree with it all!

      It’s a shame about the building regs – but hopefully even without being able to claim them as proper ‘rooms’ the space alone adds value, especially if kept in good condition… Maybe they’ll change the regulations one day… unlikely! 😉

  • Joe March 20, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Many thanks for sharing your research and thoughts. I’m just moving into a Victorian house and this is just what I needed to hear. I was tempted to go down the tanking route but yours seems the better way.

    • Kezzabeth April 4, 2021 at 12:27 pm

      Glad it was helpful! I know how tricky basements can be – it’s definitely a bit of trial and error in order to get the conditions right down there, but hopefully some of this works for you too – good luck!

  • Dorothy April 7, 2021 at 9:44 am

    Wow – you have really opened my eyes!
    I am so thankful for your research and insight on this… Makes total sense to me.
    BTW – Your place looks amazing!! ( admittedly after a looot of hard work, right 🙂 )

    • Kezzabeth April 10, 2021 at 3:36 pm

      Haha thank you! Yes, definitely lots of hard work and still a long way to go… It never ends!!

  • Marion April 8, 2021 at 9:58 pm

    Can you give advice on tools for removing the different layers of render on the brick walls?

  • SW July 7, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    Great blog btw.
    A related question that hopefully someone can answer
    My victorian basement has water ingress through various cracks in the brickwork particular when there are heavy rain showers. There is a drain in the floor which collects said water. Should i drill some weep holes in the walls to allow the water to ingress easier?

  • Peter Saunders August 16, 2021 at 9:54 pm

    Amen to this article! Unfortunately, Instagram etc. is full of cowboys fooling naive people into thinking plastic paints are good for stopping damp on the exterior of old buildings! You can’t reason with these people.

    Getting a good tradesperson to lime point is very difficult. We had one roofer say to us recently about our 1890s chimneys: ‘I can point your chimney in really rock hard cement that won’t go anywhere’. He didn’t get the call back!

    I agree with your comment on some companies claiming to have breathable products. A work colleague was shocked I didn’t use F and B emulsions as they are ‘breathable’. I didn’t have the heart to argue with her they weren’t any breathable over other big brand emulsions and this was all marketing spin!

    However, the Victorians did get things wrong as well. My scullery (now kitchen) is north facing so doesn’t get much heat throughout the day, yet the original owners painted the room in 7 layers of oil paint from the 1890s. I know this as I had it analysed and it wasn’t limewash or even distemper! They needed the room to be washable but I suspect they dealt with lots of peeling paint to the lower walls!

    • Kezzabeth November 17, 2021 at 9:31 pm

      Hi Peter!

      Thanks so much for your comment. Completely agree with you – it’s a real shame there’s such a lack of widespread knowledge / information around breathability in period homes. I think more and more people are now using traditional methods within their home, but there’s definitely still a long way to go and I really hope we see more changes over the years, especially when it comes to damp companies!!

      Here’s hoping…

  • Tim Page September 2, 2021 at 1:24 pm

    Thank you for a fantastic blog & the links ! So informative. I have a similar cellar in a house we recently bought and you are about a year ahead of me with the cellar work. I eagerly look forward to more cellar instalments. You are definitely leading me down this route rather than tanking !

  • Peter Johnson September 13, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    Did it work?

    • Kezzabeth March 16, 2022 at 7:19 pm

      So far so good, but certainly still some improvements we can make!

  • andy bunyan October 5, 2021 at 5:45 pm

    Kezzbeth, what a great article and a fabulous read, thank you!
    I’m looking at opening up my own damp soggy cellar and converting it into a lounge/chill-out room.
    Can you recommend any companies that specialize in breathable paints and varnishes for period homes?
    Also, some good advice on where to add radiators and a dehumidifier would be greatly appreciated?
    Andy 🙂

    • Kezzabeth November 9, 2021 at 8:22 pm

      Hi Andy! I’d recommend looking at Earthborn paints for walls – https://earthbornpaints.co.uk and linseed paints for wood – https://linseedpaint.com

      I’m actually yet to use either personally myself, but these are the companies I’ll be looking to purchase from when the time comes. Another one is limewash from Cornish Lime too – https://cornishlime.co.uk/

      As for placement of radiators – I’m honestly not sure! We placed ours where they worked best (ie not where we planned to add furniture!) rather than considering their location based on maintaining moisture levels. The dehumidifier, however, we’ve placed centrally in the basement. We have a ‘hallway’ type situation down there with rooms leading off from it, so the dehumidifier is in the hallway. We also make sure to leave doors open, so it can extract moisture from all rooms!

      Hope that helps and good luck with your project!!

  • Bruce Preston October 21, 2021 at 8:49 pm

    Hi KEZZABETH,

    Great post really useful info. My daughter has just bought a terraced house with a cellar and yes we have a damp issue. Outside under the bay window sill is a UPV box which covers an open area into the cellar. It has a clear plastic top to let light in. Do you happen to know what the name of such a box is? I’ve been looking on the web but can’t find a name for them. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

    • Kezzabeth November 9, 2021 at 8:57 pm

      Hi Bruce! I know exactly what you’re talking – I think they might come under something like ‘window well covers’ although I think these things often tend to be custom-made. I hope this helps a little and good luck!

  • Billy October 28, 2021 at 12:56 pm

    Hey, thank you for this amazing article! I reckon we’ll be following a similar method now. How often do you find yourself emptying the dehumidifier?

    • Kezzabeth November 8, 2021 at 3:18 pm

      It can vary quite a lot depending on time of year / amount of rainfall. On some weeks, we can empty it 3 days in a row, other weeks it can go 3 weeks without being emptied! I really need to start taking note so I can measure it more accurately – but I’d say on average, it gets emptied about every 2weeks. I’ll do an update at some point in the future with more info if I can. But hope this helps for now!

  • Laura December 27, 2021 at 8:39 pm

    Thanks for this article! It’s very consistent with what I’ve been learning and good to know others are also trying it – and DIYing it for that matter. Are you able to provide an update on the results of your work? Especially as you’ve now moved into the winter months where damp seems to present at its worst!

    • Kezzabeth March 16, 2022 at 7:18 pm

      Yes sure! The basement is still dry – we’re able to store most things down there. I wouldn’t, however, store cardboard boxes on the floor as we do have some moisture there. It’s not a wet floor, but over time, cardboard would just go soft. The external wall – those near the coal chute in particular also have moisture in them. Again, it’s not wet to the touch, but clearly a higher moisture content. We’ve actually painted this room recently and you can see the high-moisture in the corner as the paint is a slightly different colour. On the whole though, it’s so far (touch wood) working okay for us. I certainly wouldn’t be turning any of the rooms into a bedroom, but it’s certainly dry enough to spend time down there. My partner uses one of the rooms as an office, another we’re turning into a DIY workspace and the bigger room has a projector which we ocassionally watch films on. All of which are working fine for us so far!

  • Claire Julia January 23, 2022 at 9:37 am

    Do you have any advice for people who have a basement that’s already been tanked by previous owners? Can it be removed or at this stage best to try and manage any trapped moisture with dehumidifiers etc?

    • Kezzabeth March 16, 2022 at 7:07 pm

      If it’s a cement tanking that’s been painted on you may be able to remove it with a lot of scraping/chipping away, but it’ll probably be a lot of work. I’d personally focus just on external walls as that’s where any trapped moisture would be. If the tanking isn’t causing any visible problems (pushing moisture into rooms above) and the basement isn’t wet, I’d probably just leave be… On a DIY level – some things are more hassle than they’re worth!

  • Nick January 25, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    I would like to follow your route with my 17th century brick cellar. But… I worry that pulling water out of the air in the cellar increases the concentration gradient of moisture across the brick wall causing more to penetrate from the outside soil. This water brings with it salts that will be deposited where the water evaporates which will be inside the brick now the humidity in the cellar is lower, not on the surface of the brick in the cellar as when the cellar was damp. This will leave the bricks appearing to be efflorescence-free, but may lead to pressure build up within the brick and subsequent spalling. Any thoughts on this?

    • Kezzabeth March 16, 2022 at 7:31 pm

      That’s interesting and not something I had considered or have any knowledge about. So far this isn’t a problem we’ve had, but definitely something to keep an eye on. Thanks for the comment! Let us know how you get on with your cellar / anything you do differently to help – I’d certainly be interested in hearing other experiences!

  • Des February 9, 2022 at 10:50 am

    Have you considered HRV gear or is space too tight?

    The traditional issue with the ‘ingress vs. drying’ race (esp. in the colder months) is that it’s energy intensive; elevated temperature + good rates of air turnover = lots of heat input. Heat recover largely squares that circle.

    • Kezzabeth March 12, 2022 at 1:12 pm

      Oh this is actually what we originally wanted to do but if I remember rightly, I believe it needs to be externally vented which posed an issue – and the cost was also more than we could afford. For now, the basement is dry enough to use, but I’m certain there are still improvements to make so we may go down that route in time!

  • Natasha February 15, 2022 at 10:50 pm

    Hi Kezzabeth. Thank you for sharing your story. About the external walls of your basement. Did you repoint them below the ground level? If so, did you use lime mortar or for the underground works cement-based mortars should be used? Thanks

    • Kezzabeth February 16, 2022 at 1:31 pm

      Hi, we didn’t repoint any of our walls in the basement as they didn’t need it and still had their original mortar. I would always use lime mortar though if we ever needed to!

  • wasim February 25, 2022 at 11:39 am

    nice

  • Tom March 22, 2022 at 10:53 pm

    This article is exactly what I have been looking for so thank you for that!

    One question I do have relates to what Dean said above.

    I have a cellar with no ventilation or light (no windows…bricked up and below pavement level similar to yours)

    Firstly, what are my rights in terms of reinstalling a window and excavating part of the pavement? Since it is a public footpath?

    Also, laying a concrete slab is that such a bad idea if the rest of the cellar can breathe and is ventilated? I need an even floor to turn mine into a gym but the Yorkshire stone floor is knackered!

    Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks

    • Kezzabeth April 6, 2022 at 12:24 pm

      Hey, good questions! I would *assume* you own the parts of the public footpath where the window would have been – might be worth dropping an email to your local building control to see what they say before you start any work, but that would be my assumption.

      As for the concrete floor – parts of our basement floor are concrete and completely fine. I also know other properties on our street which are fully concrete and fine too. You could always use limecrete though, which is similar but breathable, although it will certainly cost more.

  • Damian March 30, 2022 at 7:29 am

    Hi Kezzabeth,

    Thanks for sharing this post and your time spent on all the research!
    I presume you have rooms above the cellar/basement.
    Did you insulate the cellar/basement roof? (floor of the rooms above the cellar)
    If so, how did you go about it?

    • Kezzabeth April 6, 2022 at 12:26 pm

      We didn’t insulate ours – purely as we felt it didn’t need it. Our cellar isn’t actually that cold weirdly! I would check out this blog though, which has some great information on how they’ve tackled this job: https://www.simplythenest.com/simplythenestjournal/2013/10/15/a-plan-for-insulating-our-draughty-old-victorian-cellar-ceil.html

      • Damian April 22, 2022 at 6:31 am

        Thanks Kezzabeth. Thanks for your reply and I’m loving your blog!
        Thanks for the link – I’ve seen that blog before too 🙂

        I’ve done my research now, so I’d thought I’d share if that’s cool, as these blogs have been really helpful to me.

        We’re going to keep the “building envelope” above the cellar and therefore use a vapour membrane above the PIR insulation that we’re going to fit between the joists. 100mm PIR (double sided foil backed) is a great insulator when compared to other products such as glass or rock wool, and natural insulation is too expensive unfortunately.
        Kingspan appears the most expensive brand so I’m looking at others such as Celotex, Xtratherm, etc.
        As our joists are 150mm deep, and we’ll have UFH in that room, we’re aiming to go a bit more but retain some air flow for the joists to prevent them from rotting.

        As the cellar will likely be damp (we’ll be aiming to introduce ventilation but not heat as it’ll be mostly for storage and our ASHP cylinder), we’ll be finishing off the cellar ceiling with a board (wood fibre such as “celenit”) that can take the likely damp environment better than the standard gypsum plasterboard. Then we’ll probably lime plaster the board if we want it to look good down the line with a breathable paint.

        Good luck with your ongoing renovations and blog 🙂

  • Dave November 21, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    You can pick out the old lime mortar between the cobbles or stones about 25mm and replace with 4 sand ( plastering and building ) to 1 lime and .5 cement . The bit of cement hardens the lime . Its a bit tougher with bricks you could use a 4″ grinder to loosen the joints but its hardly worth it . I dont think repointing bricks with sand ,lime and cement is detrimental as long as the bricks are exposed or limewashed . Adding a bit of cement to a lime mix sets it quicker

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